WHAT is with the page editor? I hard code in 'Source' and every time I save,

I don't cut and paste so there's no code coming from anywhere else. I looked at the page's code and there are

Hi Victoria,

I have sometimes resorted to using tables to keep things where I put them. So far, that has worked, when all else has failed.

Thanks for the tip! The table tags work! This the most bizarre editor I have ever worked with.

Yes you'd have to go inline, as the head tag area isn't editable as you've pointed out.

The editor, known as the "FCK Editor", is going to try to "fix" code that it didn't create. While normally not a problem, you're getting into stuff that 99% of people on Class Creator are never going to do, such as coding your own Cascading Style Sheets. Most people here have no idea what Cascading Style Sheets even are. As a developer myself, I can certainly understandard your frustration. You have advanced development skills and are trying to custom code within an editor that mainly meant for people to plugin in relatively simple content. is really an attempt to stop the editor from fixing spacing issues on the page, not an attempt to preserve every custom coded portion of the page character for character.

Having said all that, 2 possibilities come to mind here:

1) Maybe instead of we can create a new tag up there, something like that will preserve 100% of the ASCII code as you've pasted it. If we can do that, we can solve this problem by just creating an additional tag you can enter at the top of the page.

2) When you go into Edit mode for a page, we could add another button there that will take you into a simple ASCII text window instead of the visual editor. That way you could just edit code character for character, no different form using a Notepad file or other text editor.

I'll run this past the programmers. Either one of these things would allow you to do what you're wanting to do.

Brad Switzer wrote:

Well, that's not an option, anymore. The FCK Editor is removing my inline 'style' declarations. (EEK) I just get

Brad Switzer wrote:

Brad Switzer wrote:

Sorry for being such a one-in-a-million pain in the backside.

No problem at all, it's a good question. After 10,000 classes on Class Creator I've never had anyone ask for this level of CSS control before, so I guess that sets you apart. But that's certainly ok -- later this year we're developing advanced Photoshop designs that can be tweaked by Admins and all kinds of other things that only higher level users will get into. But then, over time, many people who never thought they'd be doing such things a year ok, are today. One of the side benefits of Class Creator is people start learning all kinds of stuff about the web they'd likely never have learned any other way. Sometimes kicking and screaming maybe, but in the end they wind up with all kinds of computers skills that become helpful in other things they're doing as well.

Though I've never yet taught myself to write CSS, I sure would be pleased to have a command telling the editor to leave my html the way I write it.

Brad Switzer wrote:

No problem at all, it's a good question. After 10,000 classes on Class Creator I've never had anyone ask for this level of CSS control before, so I guess that sets you apart. But that's certainly ok

Brad Switzer wrote:

Brad Switzer wrote:

Marian Wright wrote:

Though I've never yet taught myself to write CSS, I sure would be pleased to have a command telling the editor to leave my html the way I write it.

Then, I'll sign mine back to him:

And, only a coder would catch the difference. I know. Geek humor.

Wanna learn some CSS? W3 Schools or CSS Reference

All right, ya ready for a hack? This will NOT be the permanent solution. But for now if you add this to the end of the URL in your browser while you're in edit mode:

&ascii=y

you will get a simple text edit box where you can do whatever you want without altering your code in any way.

WOW, cool!

THANKS!

Brad Switzer wrote:

Thank you for your assistance and changes. I do so appreciate your efforts.

Alignment problem, attached...

Color problem, attached...

Victoria Lea Thomas wrote:

I didn't scrutinize the page, but maybe it's picking up a center tag from higher up in the code...possibly something out of your control. In any case, the easy fix for this would be to just change

to

instead.

Victoria Lea Thomas wrote:

A programmer can give you a better answer on this if need be, but I'm going to guess our own built in css on the page is supressing it. You are only seeing what you're adding of course, but the page when it renders as a whole, is going to include all of our stuff (css, etc.) as well as all of your code. Thus there maybe some css in our head tag (such as h3s) that are going to take precedence. Fortunately a standard font color should override any css we have at the top of the page. Due to the setup here, you may simply need to find some alterante ways of doing things rather than css. Yea I know, you'd rather use css and so would I, but you have to realize you're in a system that's set up for 99.9% of people to easily update their page, and they're not going to get into conflicting css definitions and things like that. In fact you're the first person to my knowledge that ever has. So, my best recommendation here is be creative. I.E. if it's not working one way, most likely there's another way to do whate you're wanting to do. Now, if you keep this up, I might just have to hire you.

Brad Switzer wrote:

I'm routinely studying the base page code, now, to see what CSS is already there and what I can program with that it won't fight (except for the secretive external sheets...boo...hiss). I am excited by the fact that the site recognizes XHTML.

I'm coding in my tiny ASCII window, my code is clean & untouched and everything is moving along. If you can talk sweet words to your programmers, a cute little button taking one directly to the ASCII window would be nice (and uniform for all the editable pages), instead of either hacking out the end of the URL or bookmarking each individual editable page. Just a thought...just a wish...

Brad Switzer wrote:

Now, if you keep this up, I might just have to hire you.

Aw, shucks... You flatter me. I'm really a novice.

Is the pay good? Can I work from home? I'm in Texas and y'all are in Michigan.

Our servers are actually in Texas. But we're all here in Michigan, yes. If you're moving here let me know.

I am still in the process of building up my class web site. I face the same problem when I try to insert a calendar (provided by localendar.com) within a frame in the content area using HTML, but the editor keeps moving the FRAMESET tag up after saving, even with the use of the ASCII editor.

My original codes:

After saving:

Hope to get some help

Weird. I repeated it. Wonder why it does that. The FCK Editor is a third party editor we've plugged into the system. We can modify the source code for the editor though, so I'll turn this issue into Programming and see what can be done about this.

Okay Brad,
Vic isn't the only person you've offered a job to in a "foreign country." (Anyplace outside Michigan is Foreign right?) Seems to me you should consider what employers have been doing for a couple decades now--telecommuting!

Anyway I'm glad I found this thread which of course the last post was two months Before I joined, but since you've had so much time since then maybe everyone else found another way. What I'd like to know -- is there a way and are you open to it, that if I were to write my own CSS that you could either have a provision that it could be installed on just my account or possibly on the system and those who wanted to use it could do so? I'm even willing to pay something extra if it could be added or substituted on my account. I have spent the past two days helping someone (whose site is still under construction) and all that:

can all be written ONCE with something simple like: Oh, How I dislike RGB. Too many keystrokes for me and besides Hex Code is so much more flexible IMHO.

Now I'm going back to using my Dreamweaver CS5 for a client for the next few days (almost heaven)! Beats that FCK Editor (only thing it is missing) is the letter "U." That's what it has been doing to me the past two days.

Brad, I'm glad I'm not the only person who has that "editor" you guys are so in love with DELETING text when it thinks it has a better idea. Twice yesterday morning I left out the letter "a" in a tag and everything else was perfect. It seems to me that is still a legal command in XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN", however your FCK editor not only removed the entire command line--it also deleted the entire paragraph. Help like that I would just as soon not have!

I'll come up with something for this after the Holiday hang tight.

For now if you add "&ascii=y" to the URL of the custom page you're editing, the system simply brings up a textarea instead of the editor. Have at it.

Brad,

Thanks--I guess this only works with one of the eight customizable pages--not the Survey pages that I've converted into custom pages?

Correct. If I can mange to leave the programmer who's working on this alone long enough to focus on it, we have a major overhaul coming up that will include this option for all pages of the system.

I'm not sure how this resolves my original request. Now I presume that if I used one of my eight customizable pages to write my CSS code, then when working on any other page I could "point" to that customizable page where my CSS resides everything would work? Sure sounds good in theory, honestly, will your system allow this?

If you are going to POINT to a CSS page, why don't you upload it to your File Vault and then point to the CSS page you will have stored in the File Vault?

DUH!!! Cause I didn't think about THAT

Now it really bothers me sometimes when one of you three "troopers" comes along with such a perfect solution to such a complicated task. Only "complicated" because I was going down the "A" PATH when I should have been on "C" PATH. Wonder if this has something to do with the Soggy Pacific Northwest. Haven't seen the sun for more than 10 days this year and it is still raining this evening.

Thanks Kyle--I don't know what I'd do without you 3 Musketeers!

I heard Spring has been cancelled this year and Summer isn't expected to arrive till August 30th. The only problem is, that Winter is expected on September 1st. Brad, you know Michigan is starting to sound like a great place to live!

Kyle Erickson wrote:

I finally got around to writing some CSS that works for me. Now when I try to upload to my File Vault, I created it in a plain ole .txt file, .html file, .docx file, .xml file, .rtf file and none of them will upload. I've been attempting to use the Image Button, yet I get the following error msg: "Invalid File Type"

What might I be doing wrong?

Use the Insert/Edit LINK button. It allows lots of different document types. The IMAGE button only allows graphics.

Is there a way in the current release to upload a stylesheet and have it included in the HTML head?

That would be a nice option I couldn't find a way to put stylesheets anywhere except in our own little "space". Plus there's global control in the google analytics section - IOW you can put anything there, not just the google script.

I've found that many times, "later" styles can override CC styles and putting it there is a good way to propagate to all pages without you having to include it everywhere. E.g. you can change the left menu color, font, background specs, etc. I've only used a few minor tweaks so far but experimented to see what I could modify.

There are some challenges, but often by playing long enough I've been able to work around to an acceptable solution

Jack,

I'm not sure what you mean by "our own little space". The Google Analytics script is loaded at the end of the page, which is fine for script, but not CSS.

Thanks,
John Tapp

You can put CSS in what is termed "google analytics" - not obvious is it Kyle here (thanks) got me onto that little trick when I was messing with scaling the background image - worked well, it's just that XP can't run IE9, so can't do it for a few more years.

If you look at the source of my page and go to the very end you'll see a link to a style sheet that is controlling the background scroll, left margin and top margin (it's actually overriding CC style sheet specs). It's followed by the google script.

By "our own little space", I mean the part of the body that we create. You can also put CSS there as well. IOW, it doesn't have to be in the head.

For some reason there are a lot of things in online references that state things that aren't exactly true. One of those is the location where it says they need to be. The only caveat is that you sometimes have to be sure a page is completely loaded before you can do certain script stuff. Not too hard - onload solves that. I stack multiple ones in a common area if I need more than one.